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I'm wrong or Will we fix the ducks limp?

On 09/06/2016 12:08, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> Op 09-06-16 om 12:48 schreef BartC:
>> What does it matter?
>> If swap() can be implemented via such a function, then it means that
>> the language has such capability, which can be useful in different
>> scenarios.
>> If it can't, then the language hasn't.
>> Python doesn't have it so it can't implement swap like that.
>> There's no need to bring references into it at all.
> Whether a language can implement a swap procedure like that is
> not the same question as whether the language variables are
> references or not.

Now /you're/ turning it around.

I'm not interested in the internal references that Python currently 
uses. (I've called them /object references/.)

I'm talking about a different kind of reference, possible /name 
references/, they would make possible new things ....

> Since the topic was whether or not python has reference variables,
> is seems there is no need to bring this swap procedure into it at all,
> instead of turning it around and pretending it was about the
> swap procedure.

... such as implementing a function that can exchange the values of its 
caller's two arguments.

In bytecode, Python might need to swap variables using:

    load a
    load b
    store a
    store b

(which can get inefficient if swapping a[i+j-1] and b[j-i+1]). A name 
reference would allow:

    loadref a
    loadref b