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Clarification on Immutability please


On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:50 AM Random832 <random832 at fastmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020, at 02:34, Stephen Tucker wrote:
> > Oh dear, I am sorry. I have created quite a storm.
> >
> > Moreover, I am sorry because I misremembered what I had typed into Idle. My
> > original tuple only had two elements, not three, so the slicing [:2] didn't
> > affect the tuple at all - and so the second id() gave the same address as
> > the first one.
> >
> > So, yes, I am stupid - or just having senior moments (I am 65, after all).
> >
> > Stephen.
>
> Regardless, this is interesting because, even though it is not in fact the case, this would be a valid optimization for an interpreter to perform, and while it's not done, something similar is done when concatenating strings.
>
> >>> s = 'asdfghjklmnop'
> >>> id(s); s += 'x'; id(s)
> 20405128
> 27766160
> >>> id(s); s += 'x'; id(s)
> 27766160
> 27766160
> # if this is done repeatedly, the two ids will not always be the same, but they will be quite a bit more often than not.
>
> The two tuples, if there are  do not exist at the same time, therefore it does not violate any constraint if their ids are the same - ids are only required to be unique for simultaneously existing objects, not across the lifetime of the program.
>

What you've demonstrated isn't actually the same, though. When you use
augmented assignment, it actually CAN be an atomic operation (or, more
commonly, a mutating operation - see eg lists); but the original
question was about slicing, which can't be done in an augmented
assignment statement.

ChrisA