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[Python-Dev] [SPAM?] Re: PEP 558: Defined semantics for locals()


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On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 06:37:22PM -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

> To me that is a static snapshot of a dynamic environment, not a dynamic
> snapshot. The snapshot you get at THAT moment in time won't change, as
> time progresses, so that snapshot itself isn't dynamic.

Actually, it does change -- but the confusing part is that it doesn't 
change automatically but only when you call the locals() function again. 
This already CPython's behaviour, so that is not changing.

def demo1():
    a = b = c = 1
    a = locals()
    print(a)
    b = 999
    print(a)

def demo2():
    a = b = c = 1
    a = locals()
    print(a)
    b = 999
    locals()  # call function but throw the result away
    print(a)


And running those two functions in Python 3.5:

py> demo1()  # No change to the dict.
{'a': 1, 'b': 1, 'c': 1}
{'a': 1, 'b': 1, 'c': 1}

py> demo2()  # Dict magically updates!
{'a': 1, 'b': 1, 'c': 1}
{'a': {...}, 'b': 999, 'c': 1}


I know this is the backwards-compatible behaviour, but I would like to 
question whether we want to enshrine it in stone. This seems to me to 
be the worst possible combinations of features:

- writing to the locals() dict doesn't write changes back to the 
  actual local variables;

- the dict returned isn't a fixed snapshot, but the PEP calls it a 
  snapshot despite not being one (naming things is hard);

- the "snapshop" can change as a side-effect of another operation.


If this wasn't already the behaviour, would we want it?



-- 
Steven