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[Python-Dev] Experiment an opt-in new C API for Python? (leave current API unchanged)

Le sam. 10 nov. 2018 ? 02:50, Nathaniel Smith <njs at> a ?crit :
> Doesn't this mean that you're just making the C API larger and more
> complicated, rather than simplifying it? You cite some benefits
> (tagged pointers, changing the layout of PyObject, making PyPy's life
> easier), but I don't see how you can do any of those things so long as
> the current C API remains supported.

Tagged pointers and changing the layout of PyObject can only be
experimented in a new different Python runtime which only supports C
extensions compiled with the new C API. Technically, it can be CPython
compiled with a different flag, as there is already python3-dbg (debug
mode, ./configure --with-pydebug) and python3 (release mode). Or it
can be CPython fork.

I don't propose to experiment tagged pointer or changing the layout of
PyObject in CPython. It may require too many changes and it's unclear
if it's worth it or not. I only propose to implement the least
controversial part of the new C API in the master branch, since
maintaining this new C API in a fork is painful.

I cannot promise that it will make PyPy's life easier. PyPy developers
already told me that they already implemented the support of the
current C API. The promise is that if you use the new C API, PyPy
should be more efficient, because it would have less things to
emulate. To be honest, I'm not sure at this point, I don't know PyPy
internals. I also know that PyPy developers always complain when we
*add new functions* to the C API, and there is a non-zero risk that I
would like to add new functions, since current ones have issues :-) I
am working with PyPy to involve them in the new C API.