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Is Storyboard really the future?


On Mon, 2020-09-14 at 13:31 +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 9/14/20 10:17 AM, Gaël THEROND wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > So, thomas, your message was rude and can hurt because Yocto didnâ??t
> > suggested to use those tools, he was answering you that he feel the pain
> > as everyone is suggesting those tool when you talk with people on IRC etc.
> 
> Sorry if it was perceived as rude. Though IMO Yocto *was* suggesting
> these tools, at least that's my perception in his message.
> 
> > Even if I do understand your point and know the importance of being
> > autonomous and do not rely on non-FLOSS software, the thruth being all
> > those discussions is the pain in the ass that it is to contribute to
> > Openstack projects compared with other Open source software based on
> > Github or Github like workflow.
> 
> If it's harder to contribute to OpenStack, IMO, it's not because of the
> tooling (ie: gerrit + git-review), but because the bar for patch quality
> is set much higher. Otherwise, I did find the git-review workflow much
> nicer than the one of Gitlab / Github.
+1 both to the code quality bar esspically in more mature project and the ux
of git review. i have shown it to friend that use gerrit but dont work on openstack
and they were really happy with it.
> 
> > The opensource community and especially the Openstack one need to
> > understand that people really get a limited amount of time and so if you
> > want to attract more people your contribution process have to be
> > streamlined and on par with what most of us developers do experience on
> > everyday.
> 
> I very much agree that getting a patch accepted isn't easy. I gave up
> about some patches because core reviewer were asking for too much work
> that I cannot unfortunately provide (I understand why they do that
> though). Though this never was because of the infrastructure, which I
> find much nicer than any other.
ya the new contributor bar for some porject is kindo like learning emacs
it can be pretty much vertical at times but i do know that we try to help
new and old contributors leap over that hurdel too. i think we do a better
job of that then we used too but it can be intimidating. for the first year
year and a hafl of working on openstack i did not understand the importance
of irc and keeping an eye on the mailing list even if i did not post.

as a result i tried to land thing purely via gerrit and unsruprissingly
that did not go well until i started talking to people on irc/email so
i could socialise my proposals and get feedback more directly.
> 
> > We want a fully floss project to host it? Fine itâ??s perfectly valid
> > argument, then just reuse whatâ??s already there with gitea and redirect
> > development effort of the abandonned software to the new platform in
> > order to support the missing part if ever required!
> 
> This is IMO a much nicer idea than suggesting to go back to Launchpad,
> or stop migrating to Storyboard.
ya i do think looking at gitia has a lot of merit.
its even somthing i would be happy to bring up with the nova team who
previous had decided to never move from lanuchpad. i was also apposed
to moveing nova or os-vif from lanuchpad to storyborad after trying to use
it for a bit but this would be something i would be tempted to at least
try.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Thomas Goirand (zigo)
>