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Re: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation Submissions


Ya Mike, this is the way we have done it in the past and it works well.
Anyone interested can join us, and we will setup a call to review the talks
on a specific date. Then go from there.

Do we know what the second day will be yet?  I have to try to figure out a
venue (hackathon?) for a third day, but I need a date.

Will

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 7:16 PM Tutkowski, Mike, <Mike.Tutkowski@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Hi Ron,
>
> From what I understand, the CloudStack proposals will be mixed in with all
> of the ApacheCon proposals.
>
> In the past when I’ve participated in these CloudStack panels to review
> proposals, we had to compare each proposal against the others to arrive at
> a balance of topics (i.e. not all networking focused, not all XenServer
> focused, etc.) and to suggest improvements for proposals that we did not
> accept for other reasons.
>
> From what I understand (but Giles can comment further on this), we have a
> track at ApacheCon and will need to fill it with X number of presentations.
> To do this, it seems like a CloudStack-focused panel would be a good
> approach, but I am definitely open to another approach. We don’t want to
> exclude anyone (in or out of the CloudStack Community) who might like to
> provide input. Anyone who is interested would, of course, be free to join
> us in combing through the proposals.
>
> We don’t need to get started on this right away. The CFP just closed
> yesterday. Let’s wait for feedback from Giles (who is currently on
> vacation) and go from there.
>
> Thanks!
> Mike
>
> On 3/31/18, 6:59 AM, "Ron Wheeler" <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>     Is this a real concern?
>     Why would a large number of Apache contributors who are not interested
>     in Cloudstack (enough to outvote those "part of the Cloudstack
>     community") get involved as reviewers
>
>     Reviewing involves some commitment of time so I am hard pressed to
> guess
>     why some Apache contributor would volunteer to do the work in order to
>     veto a presentation that they have not yet seen or have no interest in
>     seeing.
>
>     Are we guaranteed a fixed number of hours of presentations or is the
>     review process part of the allocation of overall time?
>
>     On what basis can some group veto a presentation?
>     That would seem to be a very strong action and I would hope that it
>     requires a strong reason.
>
>     OTOH if a large??? number of Apache contributors (regardless of their
>     affiliation) say that a presentation has serious issues or very limited
>     interest, that would seem to be a red flag that the presentation
>     requires improvement or needs to be dropped in favour of another
>     Cloudstack presentation, if it can not be fixed.
>
>     We should also be aware that this is an opportunity to "market"
>     Cloudstack to the broader Apache community.
>     Outside reviewers might have valuable input into how presentations can
>     attract new adopters or be clearer to the broader DevOps community.
>     We also need to remember that we do have an active community and other
>     opportunities during the year to present presentations that do not get
>     selected for this conference.
>
>     If their is a real fear that a lot of "outsiders" are going to disrupt
>     the review process, a more reasonable response would seem to be to get
>     more reviewers from the community.
>
>     I have volunteered already.
>
>     Ron
>
>     On 30/03/2018 11:11 PM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote:
>     > Hi Rafael,
>     >
>     > It’s a little bit tricky in our particular situation. Allow me to
> explain:
>     >
>     > As you are likely aware, the CloudStack Collaboration Conference
> will be held as a track in the larger ApacheCon conference in Montreal this
> coming September.
>     >
>     > It is true, as you say, that anyone who wishes to do so can
> contribute to reviewing the CFP for ApacheCon.
>     >
>     > What is a bit of a concern, however, is that we might get certain
> CloudStack CFP proposals vetoed by people who are not, per se, a part of
> our community.
>     >
>     > That being the case, I have contacted the organizers for ApacheCon
> to see if there is some way we can section off the CloudStack CFP from the
> larger ApacheCon CFP for review purposes.
>     >
>     > Assuming we can do this, the panel that I am proposing here would
> handle this review task.
>     >
>     > I hope that helps clarify the situation.
>     >
>     > Thanks!
>     > Mike
>     >
>     > On 3/30/18, 8:38 AM, "Rafael Weingärtner" <
> rafaelweingartner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>     >
>     >      Are we going to have a separated review process?
>     >
>     >      I thought anybody could go here [1] and apply for a reviewer
> position and
>     >      start reviewing. Well, that is what I did. I have already
> reviewed some
>     >      CloudStack proposals (of course I did not review mines). After
> asking to
>     >      review presentations, Rich has giving me access to the system.
> I thought
>     >      everybody interest in helping was going to do the same.
>     >
>     >      [1]
> https://cfp.apachecon.com/conference.html?apachecon-north-america-2018
>     >
>     >
>     >      On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Swen - swen.io <me@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>     >
>     >      > Hi Mike,
>     >      >
>     >      > congrats!
>     >      >
>     >      > I can help sort through presentations.
>     >      >
>     >      > Best regards,
>     >      > Swen
>     >      >
>     >      > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>     >      > Von: Tutkowski, Mike [mailto:Mike.Tutkowski@xxxxxxxxxx]
>     >      > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. März 2018 21:40
>     >      > An: dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     >      > Betreff: Committee to Sort through CCC Presentation
> Submissions
>     >      >
>     >      > Hi everyone,
>     >      >
>     >      > As you may be aware, this coming September in Montreal, the
> CloudStack
>     >      > Community will be hosting the CloudStack Collaboration
> Conference:
>     >      >
>     >      > http://ca.cloudstackcollab.org/
>     >      >
>     >      > Even though the event is six months away, we are on a tight
> schedule with
>     >      > regards to the Call For Participation (CFP):
>     >      >
>     >      > https://www.apachecon.com/acna18/schedule.html
>     >      >
>     >      > If you are interested in submitting a talk, please do so
> before March 30th.
>     >      >
>     >      > That being said, as usual, we will have need of a small
> committee to sort
>     >      > through these presentation submissions.
>     >      >
>     >      > If you are interested in helping out in this process, please
> reply to this
>     >      > message.
>     >      >
>     >      > Thanks!
>     >      > Mike
>     >      >
>     >      >
>     >      >
>     >
>     >
>     >      --
>     >      Rafael Weingärtner
>     >
>     >
>
>     --
>     Ron Wheeler
>     President
>     Artifact Software Inc
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