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Re: [DISCUSS] Concerns about the Arrow Slack channel


It might be nice to have the discourse option before shutting it down. As
someone who asks, that would be a nice way to get me to migrate

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Wes McKinney <wesmckinn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> hi folks,
>
> How would you like to proceed on the Slack channel discussion? It
> seems there is reasonable consensus to close the channel. Should we
> have a vote?
>
> It would be a good idea to export the data / chat history from the
> channel before closing it down.
>
> Thanks
> Wes
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:36 PM, Wes McKinney <wesmckinn@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > It's sort of unrelated to this conversation, but since someone
> > mentioned MXNet I want to call attention to a thread on their podling
> > mailing list about JIRA vs. GitHub issues:
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b4d174223d68c5822ea538f2609281
> c8023c7cc1eaef298bb2c4c186@%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E.
> >
> > To summarize the thread: a lot of people don't like change, but
> > sometimes change is good. Some people have complained privately to me
> > that Arrow doesn't work like any other random project on GitHub.
> > Anyone who doesn't contribute to the project on account of that is,
> > IMHO, not a serious contributor.
> >
> > I personally find JIRA to be an excellent tool, but it's a steeper
> > learning curve than GitHub and so it does take a bit of effort to
> > learn its features.
> >
> > - Wes
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:05 PM, Wes McKinney <wesmckinn@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >> Thanks all. I'm intrigued by Discourse (for some reason I keep typing
> >> "discourge.org"); we should inquire with ASF infra to see if they
> >> would be willing to support it for us. It's important that we develop
> >> a public record for the project, and for that data to be archived and
> >> indexed in some place that is owned by the ASF. I'm frankly -0 on
> >> having a fourth communication channel (outside of e-mail/JIRA/GitHub)
> >> since three is already a lot to keep track of. If we had a larger
> >> maintainer team, I might feel differently.
> >>
> >> Travis had some questions about GitHub and JIRA. JIRA is the only
> >> system of record for concrete development activity in the project. We
> >> use GitHub pull requests to submit patches (some projects use Gerrit,
> >> or attach patch files to JIRA), but all of the data generated on these
> >> PRs (code review comments, etc.) is mirrored back to JIRA.
> >> Furthermore, JIRA activity is relayed to the issues@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> mailing list. So ultimately we have a public record for the project on
> >> mailing lists.
> >>
> >> Many newcomers have never interacted with an Apache project before,
> >> and so when they go to http://github.com/apache/arrow their first
> >> reaction is to look for the Issues tab to report a bug or ask for
> >> something. For a long time we didn't have issues turned on, and we
> >> found that people were "bouncing" rather than seeking out the mailing
> >> list or JIRA. We'd rather capture the information somewhere rather
> >> than lose it. We have an issue template asking people to either use
> >> the mailing list or JIRA, but a lot of people ignore it unfortunately:
> >> https://github.com/apache/arrow/blob/master/.github/ISSUE_TEMPLATE.md.
> >>
> >> - Wes
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Kenta Murata <muraken@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I heard from Kou that you’re discussing to stop using Slack.
> >>> So I want to propose another way to use Discourse.
> >>>
> >>> On 2018/06/21 18:46:54, Dhruv Madeka <m...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> The issue with discourse is that you either have to host it or pay
> for them
> >>>> to host it
> >>>
> >>> Discourse provides free hosting plan for community friendly opensource
> projects.
> >>> See this article for the details:
> >>> <https://blog.discourse.org/2016/03/free-discourse-forum-
> hosting-for-community-friendly-github-projects/>
> >>>
> >>>> but still +1 for discourse, its a really nice format (I actually
> +1'ed the
> >>>> PyTorch forum on this thread too)
> >>>
> >>> I’m also +1 for discourse because I’m managing
> https://discourse.ruby-data.org/ by this plan.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Kenta Murata
>