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Re: Retiring Airflow Gitter?


+1 on slack, especially if we can have multiple channels. There's something
really great about being able to ask questions in specialized mini
communities (i.e. #celery-executor or #kubernetes-executor). It also makes
it way easier for subject matter experts to respond to relevant questions.

On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 12:38 PM Sid Anand <sanand@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Right..
>
> Slack has awesome desktop & mobile clients. Creating an account on Slack is
> very lightweight, and I don't see that being a major hurdle IMHO, though
> Gitter accepts 3rd party auth (e.g. GitHub, etc....).
>
> It turns out that https://the-asf.slack.com/ already exists and has a
> channel called #airflow. If we do use this and if at some point the ASF
> decides to upgrade the workspace to a standard account, we would benefit.
> The negative is that the 10K message retention limit is on the entire
> workspace, not the channel.
>
> I'll submit an Apache-style VOTE on this matter and let the community
> decide.
>
> I do hope that whatever the community decides doesn't turn off engagement.
> -s
>
> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 11:23 AM Scott Halgrim
> <scott.halgrim@xxxxxxxxxx.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Data point of one here, but I prefer Slack to Gitter because I have Slack
> > open all day anyway. The only time I think to open Gitter is when I have
> a
> > question about Airflow
> > On Sep 1, 2018, 2:13 PM -0700, Shah Altaf <mendhak@xxxxxxxxx>, wrote:
> > > Worth considering what the benefits vs problems are for Gitter vs
> Slack;
> > > i.e. what is Slack solving that Gitter fails at, and what will you lose
> > for
> > > this exchange.
> > >
> > > IMO there is a non-quantifiable benefit of the openness of Gitter
> rooms,
> > in
> > > that Gitter conversation snippets appear in search results, with an
> > '?at='
> > > querystring so you can jump straight to where the conversation
> occurred.
> > >
> > > So while Gitter's search is lacking, there is that, *added* benefit of
> > the
> > > free, persistent chat.
> > >
> > > And as mentioned earlier, Gitter works with your existing accounts.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 9:26 PM Sid Anand <sanand@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > > When we first entered the incubator ~2.5 years ago and we were
> > considering
> > > > Gitter (Slack was not an option back then), Jakob Homan (our mentor)
> > > > mentioned that the the ASF mailing lists were really the place where
> > things
> > > > needed to be documented. We killed our google group and GH issues and
> > moved
> > > > into the mailing lists and Jira. We tried Gitter to give people a
> > chance to
> > > > get instant answers, though as I mentioned at the top of this thread,
> > it
> > > > had a lot of issues.
> > > >
> > > > I'm glad to hear that the community is gaining some benefit from a
> > > > collaborative instant messaging solution, though it does appear from
> > this
> > > > thread that the community wants to move to Slack. As a 4-year user of
> > > > Slack, I agree Slack is a pretty awesome platform, but I've mostly
> used
> > > > paid versions at my employers. Once I get some guidance on how to set
> > it up
> > > > within Apache guidelines, if the ASF has any thoughts on the matter,
> > I'll
> > > > proceed to transition. Having 2 parallel solutions will be confusing
> > IMHO.
> > > > -s
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 2:30 AM Ash Berlin-Taylor <ash@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm not a fan of slack for open source work - it's a walled garden,
> > > > > signing up is a hurdle (where you have to use a work around of a
> > heroku
> > > > > app), not to mention that the client is just so memory hungry!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm just a curmudgeon who still likes IRC mainly. So long as I can
> > > > install
> > > > > https://slack.com/apps/A7DL60U5D-irccloud/ <
> > > > > https://blog.irccloud.com/slack-integration/> I won't object ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > (I am not a fan of Gitter either, but I am constantly logged in via
> > their
> > > > > IRC gateway. I'm usually the only PPMC responding in there, Bolke
> > pops up
> > > > > from time-to-time too)
> > > > >
> > > > > -ash
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 1 Sep 2018, at 02:40, Sid Anand <sanand@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Great feedback. There is an overwhelming interest in moving
> Gitter
> > to
> > > > > > Slack. Just curious: for the folks who set up Slack for other
> > Apache
> > > > > > projects, did you go via an Apache Infra ticket?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -s
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 4:32 PM James Meickle
> > > > > > <jmeickle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am in the gitter chat most work days and there's always
> > activity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would be fine with switching to permanent retention slack for
> > > > > > > searchability but don't see the point of switching without that
> > > > feature.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 12:59 Sid Anand <sanand@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For a while now, we have had an Airflow Gitter account.
> Though
> > this
> > > > > > > seemed
> > > > > > > > like a good idea initially, I'd like to hear from the
> > community if
> > > > > anyone
> > > > > > > > gets value of out it. I don't believe any of the committers
> > spend any
> > > > > > > time
> > > > > > > > on Gitter.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Early on, the initial committers tried to be available on it,
> > but
> > > > soon
> > > > > > > > found it impossible to be available on all the timezones in
> > which we
> > > > > had
> > > > > > > > users. Furthermore, Gitter notoriously sucks at making
> > previously
> > > > > > > answered
> > > > > > > > questions discoverable. Also, the single-threaded nature of
> > Gitter
> > > > > > > > essentially makes it confusing to debug/discuss more than on
> > topic
> > > > at a
> > > > > > > > time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The community seems to be humming along by relying on the
> > Apache
> > > > > mailing
> > > > > > > > lists, which don't suffer the downside listed above. Hence,
> as
> > > > newbies
> > > > > > > join
> > > > > > > > Apache Airflow, they likely hop onto Gitter. Are they getting
> > value
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > > it? If not, perhaps we are doing them a disservice and should
> > > > consider
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > deleting it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thoughts welcome.
> > > > > > > > -s
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
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